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Thursday, December 15, 2011

A recorded Debate from me vs a atheist

Atheist -The Hebrew word Chuwg (חוג) means a flat-circle like a coin. The Hebrew word for a sphere like a ball is Dur (דור).
He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball (Dur) into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. (Isaiah 22:18)
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)



ME-*NO,The Hebrew language lacked a specific term for sphere as well as terminology for infinite space. The word Chug, as described above and as used, in context with other words in Isaiah cannot be used to prove that the Bible teaches a flat earth.Duwr is not exclusively a word for sphere.*



Atheist-Revelation 7:1
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. (KJV)


Me-*Many a skeptic claims that the Bible depicts a flat earth. Scriptural references such as Revelation 7:1 are cited, which speaks of “four angels standing at the four corners of the earth.” However, this passage makes reference to the cardinal directions as seen on a compass – i.e. north, south, east and west. Terminology to a similar effect is used today when we speak of the sun rising and setting each day, even though we know that it is in fact the earth which orbits round the sun.*

Athiest-Job 38:13
13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)

Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit. (KJV)

Daniel 4:11
11 The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the ENDS OF ALL THE EARTH: (KJV)

Me-* Actually, the reference is to the cardinal directions: north, south, east, and west. Similar terminology is often used today when we speak of the sun's rising and setting, even though the earth, not the sun, is doing the moving. *


Atheist-Another verse says the earth sits upon pillars or columns - "He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them." (1 Samuel 2:8)
Yet it also says the earth hangs upon nothing (Job 26:7)

ME-*Sir Isaac Newton explained that the planets are suspended in empty space, held in their orbits by an invisible force—gravity. It seemed incredible, and some of Newton’s colleagues found it hard to believe that space could be a void, largely empty of substance.
What does the Bible have to say on this question? Nearly 3,500 years ago, the Bible stated with extraordinary clarity that the earth is hanging “upon nothing.” (Job 26:7) In the original Hebrew, the word for “nothing” (beli-mah′) used here literally means “without anything.”7 The Contemporary English Version uses the expression, “on empty space.”
A planet hanging “on empty space” was not at all how most people in those days pictured the earth. Yet, far ahead of his time, the Bible writer recorded a statement that is scientifically sound.
“How Job knew the truth,” said one scholar, “is a question not easily solved by those who deny the inspiration of Holy Scripture.”

Job knew this scientific fact because he was given the information under divine direction. Job had neither a telescope or any other means to know this at the time the book of Job was written.
How true that the Bible really is inspired of God and beneficial for all.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 *

Atheist-1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”


Me-*His rule the whole world will be firmly established (cf. 96:10). This means that all the moral and legal orders of life will be solidified under His dominion. Since His throne was established in eternity past, His reign on earth is solidly insured.
—Bible Knowledge Commentary

tremble before Him, all the earth. The world is firmly established; it cannot be shaken.
1 Chronicles 16:30

The Lord reigns! He is robed in majesty; The Lord is robed, enveloped in strength. The world is firmly established; it cannot be shaken.
Psalms 93:1

For this is what the Lord says— God is the Creator of the heavens. He formed the earth and made it; He established it; He did not create it to be empty, [but] formed it to be inhabited— “I am the Lord, and there is no other.
Isaiah 45:18

This verb, which occurs as a figure of speech referring to great insecurity, can also denote dependability and certainty when used of God and prefixed with a negative.

When môṭ is used with regel "foot," it speaks of the foot slipping or sliding in a time of calamity (Deut. 32:35; Psalm 38:16 [H 17]; Psalm 94:18). In Psalm 82:5 this verb depicts general disorder on the earth: "all the foundations of the earth are slipping." It also is used to refer to the instability of dead idols mounted on platforms that are liable to topple over or be picked up and carted off by a conqueror. Isaiah has much sport urging idolatrous Israel to make sure their gods will not be moved (Isaiah 40:20; Isaiah 41:7).

Two millennial psalms affirm that "the Lord reigns," therefore the inhabited world (tēbēl) cannot be moved (Psalm 93:1; 1 Chron. 16:30; Psalm 96:10). Since the Lord also laid the foundations of the earth, it will not totter forever and ever (Psalm 104:5).
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Atheist-The Bible is full of contradictions

Me-The Bible is full of contradictions
That i have refuted with pure logic and facts

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